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17Jun/11Off

Comment is free readers on … age discrimination at work | The people’s panel

Five Comment is free readers share their thoughts on what it's like to be considered too old – or too young – for their job

At 67, the governor of Israel's central bank, Stanley Fischer, has been told he is too old to run for the vacant role of head of the IMF. Fischer had hoped the rule that applicants had to be under 65 would be overlooked, as it is "not relevant today", but the IMF did not share his views. Here, four readers tell us about their experiences of age discrimination in the workplace.

Michael Grumett, 72, aka grumatchester: "90% of applications go unacknowledged"

I am a university lecturer. In February a colleague (also over 65) and I were both told our contract wouldn't be renewed due to government cuts to higher education – this happened significantly before the new age discrimination law came into force in April.

Everybody, from faculty dean downwards, wants us to stay because 140 students are predicted to start in October in a huge rush to beat the tripling of tuition fees next year. The staff don't know how they are going to cope with this unprecedented number.

I have been job-hunting both as an academic and journalist ever since. So far, I have had just one interview, and 90% of applications go unacknowledged. So enforced retirement after 31 July beckons.

People say I should retire gracefully. I always give three reasons for not wanting to: the postponement of dementia by keeping the brain active, the avoidance of boredom, and because I need the money. A long and chequered journalistic career meant I have never worked anywhere long enough to accumulate a worthwhile pension pot. I accept that people who want to retire should be able to: but those who want to carry on, if they have knowledge and experience they can pass on, should be allowed to.

Dawn Foster, 24, aka Dawnhfoster: "Someone recently said 'I didn't look old enough to be out of school'"

I work in advice, and since part of my job involves telling people older than me things they might not want to hear, my age is often brought up. I've had my intelligence questioned; been told that I don't have the life experience necessary for empathy; and someone recently said that "I didn't look old enough to be out of school", asking to speak to my manager instead. When I bring up ideas others disagree with, I'll often find people tell me I "don't understand". I've yet to see my managers receive the same response.

At an interview recently, my interviewer told me I was "by far the youngest person" they'd talked to, as though it was a sticking point. This isn't unusual: after nearly every interview I've had since graduation, the feedback I've been given has run along the lines of "we think you're really capable and interviewed well, but had to go for someone with the same experience over a longer period" – ie someone older.

Despite legal changes preventing employers from asking for your age on applications, it's still easy to work out someone's age from the dates they were in education – and even easier to dismiss an application on the grounds of "experience" when you mean "age". But there are ways around it. One national charity explicitly asks you not to put dates of employment and education on your application form, but to focus on the skills you've taken from qualifications and roles. Doing so means they've no idea how old candidates are until the day of the interview. Since age discrimination is largely based on subconscious assumptions, this model of application goes a small way towards stopping it.

Sarah Lockwood, 29, aka crimsonandclover: "Our children need role models from all generations, and of all types"

I work in an ambitious new academy, if I can anthropomorphise an institution according to its leadership ethos. This drive seems to be a factor in the gradual but systematic removal of anyone over 50.

While many older teachers have been kindly "asked" to leave quietly with a cheque in their back pocket, we have members of senior staff line-managing teachers twice their age. These 20-somethings work 13-hour days uncomplainingly, attend endless meetings unquestioningly and work tirelessly to reach management level, often before they are ready. Having no dependents so you can work flat out is also a great asset these days. How can the older generation compete?

The obsession with the use of new technology in the classroom is helping to weed out older staff. Teachers who learned to teach without the internet are sometimes seen as having a dated approach. Of course, there are cases where older educators have lost their enthusiasm, but this is by no means the rule. Likewise, many of the younger teachers are not sufficiently prepared for the job, and this is not their fault. They are thrown in at the deep end.

There are advantages to having younger employees; these are self-evident. But this is insufficient. Our children need role models from all generations, and of all types. We need older workers to hold the new generation to account, and perhaps temper their misguided zeal at times. A school ought to be a microcosm that reflects the values of its society, but there is a lamentable lack of a sense of the worth of older employees. When all the teachers left are under 40, the legacy of previous generations will be all but lost. Talk about a false economy.

Paul Nethercott, 65, aka ManchePaul: "Equal-opportunity interviewing is the best way of ensuring discrimination is minimised"

My first job in the early 1960s was clerking for an insurance company. They had set pay scales, which were based solely on age: each year on your birthday, you moved up a notch. Of course, there were different scales for men and women; the latter 75% of the former.

After a couple of years, I found myself supervising half a dozen other staff so I thought I might ask for a rise. My manager agreed, but the only way to get more money was to move on to a higher scale. Head office agreed, but the minimum age on that scale was higher than my then age. This, logically and inevitably, demonstrated that I could not be doing the work I was doing. They recruited someone several years older than me to do my job.

That was the norm then. Now that overt age discrimination is effectively eliminated, the problem is that recruitment is carried out, in house or agency, largely by young people at the first stage. They often filter out most older people unconsciously or deliberately. The problem has to be solved in the same way as sex and race discrimination: legislation and monitoring.

The public sector is supposed to be showing the way with equal-opportunity interviewing: ask all the applicants the same set of questions with relevant followups, and with a rating of each applicant on a common scale for the job's requirements. In my experience, that is the best way of ensuring that any form of discrimination is minimised, and apparent where it occurs.

Gordon McDougall, aka afterglow: "The employment market and cult of youth have led to a waste of working talent"

For 25 years I was a theatre (and sometimes television) director at the top of my profession. I ran major theatre companies – including the leading touring theatre in Britain – my work was seen all over the world, and I was twice nominated by London critics as best director.

After eight years working abroad, in 1991 I returned to the UK to find that the profession had changed: the emphasis was now entirely on youth.

Reinventing myself, I became a teacher, academic, eventually a professor. I developed courses at Rada, ran three drama schools, wrote articles in journals and taught students wherever I could find them.

By the age of 55 I found that institutions that had automatically shortlisted me were no longer doing so. At 64, I started to get emails from HR departments saying they couldn't accept my application – I was over their retirement age.

I have watched in frustration as young directors stage Shakespeare – even at the RSC – without a clue how to train talented actors to speak the verse and inhabit the language and the thought. I have watched as talented young teachers struggle to articulate what they want to say without help from more experienced mentors.

The employment market and the cult of youth have led to a waste of working talent which is a scandal and a part-cause of our global recession.

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16Jun/11Off

The Apprentice: why Teflon Jim came tops in battle of the freemiums

Jim survived because Lord Sugar could see his negotiating skills, leaving Glenn to engineer back to Hertfordshire

Jedi Jim was renamed Teflon Jim in last night's battle of the freemiums, with both teams tasked to sell advertising slots to three top agencies, with the highest advertising revenue earned taking the prize.

Natasha was team leader of Logic and decided upon a lad's magazine named Covered. Helen and Tom met a focus group who explained their hatred of stereotypical lad's magazines full of scantily clad women. Instead they craved a fun but more serious magazine raising the tone, steering clear of an already cluttered and outdated market.

Natasha ignored their sage advice, believing "naked sells", choosing a front cover with a model wearing Tom's jacket and little else inside; plus a financial feature headlined "How to Blow Your Load" – a tone that most financial advertisers would avoid being associated with.

The buyer from Maxus looked at Natasha saying that this was a 90s idea with Logic failing to realise men have grown up. When Natasha was later quizzed about targeting prospective advertisers, her defence was that one of the agencies had a strip club as a client; a comparatively low spending category alongside the multi-million pound finance houses!

This surely gave Venture, led by Jim, the opportunity to romp home with resounding success, targeting the over 60's with a magazine aiming at the young at heart. However Zoe came up with the risky title "Hip Replacement", with "hip" meaning trendy rather than a guide to replacing a failing joint.

The trouble with clever titles is that if irony needs explaining, it has lost its impact, and with a bland front cover that leant more towards dreary than dynamic, the buyer from Maxus rubbed his temple in disbelief.

In the first negotiation, Jim led the way refusing to offer a discount. Unless the rates for the pages were already offering great value, this would be a disastrous strategy in business. Incentivised rates are vital to persuade clients to spend money on an untried free magazine, with clients wanting to secure a good return on investment before they decide to invest more in the title. As the task went on the penny dropped with Jim, who then offered discounts to both other agencies.

With results being announced, the first two agencies favoured Ventures idea and it looked like victory for Hip Replacement. However Carat hated it, being enticed by prospects of a "media coup" taking all advertising sites in Covered in return for a decent discount.

In the boardroom Jim alienated his whole team saying one was barely better than the other, so future tasks could prove interesting. His charm bordered on smarm, and although Susan was on a sticky wicket having been accused of being a mouse again, I felt Jim would be fired for failing to negotiate with the advertising agency and allowing the title and front cover of the over 60's magazine to go to print.

However, you could have knocked me off my perch when he announced Glenn as the man in the firing line, with Lord Sugar giving the reason given that has never met an engineer who could turn his hand to business. I would suggest Jim survived because Lord Sugar sees, excluding this task, that Jim has impressive negotiation skills, which are always hugely beneficial in business. So Teflon Jim survived this week and travels to Paris, with Glenn engineering his way back to Hertfordshire.

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15Jun/11Off

Unemployment benefit claimants constituency by constituency: full data

Unemployment has decreased again keeping the rate steady at 7.7%. These are the unemployment benefit claimant numbers in each of the parliamentary constituencies. Get them where you live
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Unemployment in the UK has decreased for the third month in a row with the rate remaining steady at 7.7% and causing a fast pace drop in unemployment.

The total number of unemployed has fallen by 88,000 over the quarter and has now reached 2.43 million.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) published statistics that show the fastest drop in unemployment in a decade. Heather Stewart writes today:

"Unemployment is falling at its fastest pace in a decade, official figures reveal, in a boost for George Osborne as he prepares to deliver his Mansion House speech. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the number of people unemployed fell by 88,000 in the the three months to April, to 2.43 million — the largest drop since the summer of 2000. The unemployment rate was 7.7%, down from 8% three months earlier."

The ONS stated that the quarterly fall was mainly amongst those aged 16-24 years old. The number of unemployed in the age group fell by 79,000 to reach the lowest figure since the three months to April 2009. Youth unemployment has been a big issue in previous months.

The ONS published figures this morning that show a rise of 19,600 claimants with the total figure reaching 1.49 million. The figures also showed a continued rise in female claimants for the eleventh consecutive month, creating the highest since September 1996. The number of male claimants rose by 11,100 - the second monthly increase since January 2010.

Our figures, not seasonally adjusted, show that the claimants count rate has dropped slightly from 3.8% to 3.7% for May 2011. Unlike the seasonally adjusted figures published, our figures from NOMIS show female and male claimants have decreased individually. There has been a -0.4% decrease in women claiming job seekers allowance and a drop of -1.3% in male claimants.

Birmingham Ladywood remains the constituency with the highest claimant rate at 11.3% with Hodge Hill following closely behind again. The biggest increase on the month was seen in Maidstone and The Weald with a rise of 5.3%.

Ross, Skye and Lochaber, St Austell and Newquay and Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey recorded the biggest decreases for the month as those seeking job seeker's allowance dropped by over 17% in both places.

The figures below, out each month, show benefit claimants in each UK parliamentary constituency and come from the ONS. Thanks to the powerful ONS Nomis database, we can now give them to you by constituency – with added Guardian and Press Association ID numbers.

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14Jun/11Off

Write for us on … age discrimination at work | The people’s panel

We're looking for four readers who'll share their thoughts on being considered too old – or young – in the workplace

Stanley Fischer hoped to run for the top IMF job, only to be barred from the race because of his age. The 67-year-old governor of Israel's central bank had hoped the stipulation that a new managing director must be no older than 65 would be overlooked because it "is not relevant today". But it was not to be.

As part of our people's panel series, we would like to publish the thoughts of four readers who are ready to share their experiences and opinions regarding age discrimination at work. Do you feel people make assumptions about your suitability for certain roles because of your age? Have you been unfairly passed over for promotion or training opportunities? Even though changes to the retirement age are being pushed through, do you feel an obligation to let the younger generation take your place in the workplace? Or, if you're young, do you have a hard time being taken seriously because you haven't clocked up enough years?

If you would like to participate, please email Jessica Reed (jessica.reed@guardian.co.uk) before 3.30pm on Wednesday 15 June, with a contribution of about 200-250 words. We are looking for an element of commentary – your opinion on the issue being debated. Please include your Comment is free username, your real name and a number we can contact you on. Four entries will be picked for publication. The subject line of your email should be "People's panel". If you object to having your real name used, mention this – but be aware that signed contributions will be more likely to be selected.

Please note that we may not be able to respond to all submissions.

Discrimination at workWork & careersOlder peopleEqualityguardian.co.uk
14Jun/11Off

Payment-by-results scheme to help long-term unemployed launched

Critics fear hardest-hit areas may feel little benefit from Work Programme, in which private contractors will find jobs

The coalition government will on Friday launch the biggest experiment in public service reform since David Cameron came to power when private contractors take on the task of finding jobs for 500,000 unemployed people annually on the basis of a payments by results system.

The employment minister, Chris Grayling, said the model would form the basis for further public service delivery reform covering prison rehabilitation, drug offenders and problem families.

The Work Programme, bringing together all existing schemes to help the unemployed, will go live on Friday, with some critics warning there is a danger private sector contractors may go bust as they find they are unable to reach demanding targets set to find work for the unemployed.

Private sector contractors under the Work Programme have been incentivised to find work for the unemployed on a sliding scale according to the length of time they stay in work and the unemployment group they come from.

It is estimated that 605,000 people would go through the Work Programme in 2011-12, and 565,000 in 2012-13.

The maximum fee a provider can attract for an individual client ranges from £4,050 for a jobseeker's allowance claimant aged 18-24 to £13,120 for an ex-incapacity benefit claimant in the Work Related Activity Group.

Government payments to contractors are staged according to length of time the unemployed individual stays in work. For the first three years there will be a small up-front payment – about 10% of the total. Thereafter it's 100% payment by results.

The next payment only comes after someone has been in work for three months if they are from a vulnerable group, or six months if they are a conventional jobseeker.

The remainder is paid in instalments that last up to 18 months. If the person drops out of work those payments stop.

As a result providers take the financial risk for as long as two years if they are not successful.

The system is potentially high risk if the government has miscalculated the difficulty of finding work for the unemployed, especially those hardest to place such as those on incapacity benefit.

The Work Foundation claimed that in areas of Britain with the highest unemployment and fewest job vacancies, contractors will struggle.

The scheme will be mandatory for all those on jobseeker's allowance, the employment support allowance and lone parents with children aged over five.

In practice the Department for Work and Pensions is expecting contractors to make a return of 10% on investment.

Grayling said: "What we have tried to do is create a situation where our interests and the interests of providers are really aligned. They can make shedloads of money by doing the things we would absolutely love them to do."

JSA claimants aged over 25 who have been unemployed for less than a year will continue to be serviced by Job Centre Plus.

The scheme is to be funded from future benefit savings. Prime contractors must achieve job entry rates higher than 10% above the government's estimate of how the client group would have been expected to fare without support from the Work Programme.

Grayling has largely left it to employers to design schemes to help the unemployed find work, but Job Centre Plus, the government employment scheme, will continue to oversee the sanctions regime if the unemployed refuse to take reasonable work.

The contracts have been let over seven years. Prime contractors, mainly highly capitalised firms such as Serco, have sub-contracted service provision to specialist local organisations, including voluntary sector providers.

The minimum performance standard that is being expected is set at a level that is essentially the highest level of performance that the New Deal for Young People and the New Deal for those who are 25-plus ever reached, even at the height of the boom earlier in the 2000s.

The Work Foundation said the programme would do little to improve employment opportunities for people living in economically weaker areas.

"It will be difficult for private contractors to deliver the programme at a profit in certain parts of Scotland, Wales and London, thus disincentivising activity in these areas."

Shadow work and pensions secretary Liam Byrne called on the government to set out in detail how many people it expected work contractors to get into work in each region.

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14Jun/11Off

Calling all desk jockeys: we want your workplace photos on Flickr

What does your office or desk look like, and does it contribute to or distract from your productivity? We want to see photos of where you work your particular brand of magic

How do you like to keep your office or desk? Is it a model of functionality and tidiness, or a mountain of papers and empty coffee cups? An altar to the latest technological gadgets or a monument to the days of pen and ink? Are you by a window, surrounded by plants, in the kitchen or out in the shed?

Whatever your reasons for curating your office or desk like it is, we want to know about the things that keep you productive. Upload photos of your workspace to our Flickr group, and tell us what is on your desk and why it keeps you productive. We'll feature some of the best ones in a gallery on the Guardian Money site.

Here's how you can get involved:

1. Photograph your workspace (being careful not to reveal any sensitive data or information)

2. Add the photo to our Flickr group (NB, if you are creating a new Flickr account, you will need to upload at least five pictures to your own personal photostream and wait a few days before your images will appear on a public group)

3. Tell us who you are and the story behind your desk (although you are of course free to remain anonymous if you prefer)

We will feature some of our favourite portfolios and pictures from the group on guardian.co.uk and maybe in other formats, eg our newspapers. By posting your pictures on our Flickr group you a) acknowledge that you have created the pictures or have permission to do so; and b) grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, free licence to publish your pictures as described. Copyright resides with you and you may reuse your pictures however you wish. You will be credited and paid if we make other uses of your pictures.

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13Jun/11Off

Dear Jeremy work and careers advice: have your say

• Does having a family put a stop to my freelance plan?
• My 70-year-old dad is about to be laid off

At the start of each week, we publish the problems that will feature in this Saturday's Dear Jeremy advice column in the Guardian Work supplement, so readers can offer their own advice and suggestions. We then print the best of your comments alongside Jeremy's own insights. Here are this week's dilemmas – what are your thoughts?

Problem one: Does having a family put a stop to my freelance plan?

I am 32 and have worked in marketing communications for more than 10 years in private, not-for-profit and public sector organisations. I am currently working in the public sector and am fortunate to work part time since having a baby. I really enjoy my work and am good at what I do – I have always worked hard and I progressed to a senior role quite quickly. However, due to cuts I have just discovered I will be made redundant in September. I am currently on a good salary but cannot afford not to work, so need to find something else.

Ordinarily, I would accept my lot and look for a new job, except now that I have a child I do not want to return to full-time hours. I therefore realise I am looking for the holy grail: a part-time job (or job share) that pays enough to cover child care costs and a little extra. It would be a bonus if the job were interesting as well. I live in the north of England and part-time jobs that meet these criteria simply do not seem to exist.

So now I am considering freelancing, either as a copywriter or as a communications consultant, which I think is the only realistic option that will allow me to work flexibly. However, I have no idea how to go about making this happen.

With the current economic climate I do feel companies could benefit from hiring people on shorter contracts, but I am also aware that many full-time professionals who have been made redundant are now freelancing, some of who won't have the family commitments I have.

Do you have any tips on how I could go about setting up as a freelance, or do you think I am aiming for the impossible now I am a mother?

Problem two: My 70-year-old dad is about to be let go

My 70-year-old dad is hard working, energetic and young at heart. His current firm has a policy of not employing anyone over 70 and he will shortly be 71. He is dreading finishing work as he enjoys meeting others and making a contribution. Can you suggest how he might start to look for either modestly paid part-time or voluntary work?

What are your thoughts?

• For Jeremy's and readers' advice on a work issue, send a brief email to dear.jeremy@guardian.co.uk. Please note that he is unable to answer questions of a legal nature or reply personally

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12Jun/11Off

From councils to co-ops: how public workers can form an mutual

The coalition is encouraging public workers to form mutuals to offer public services. So how do you set one up?

Have you heard the one about the Conservative-led government encouraging public servants to form employee-owned mutuals? Well, despite the healthy scepticism – a born-again conversion to worker democracy seems convenient at a time of reducing the public sector wage bill – this is no joke.

Dorothy Francis, chief executive of the Co-operative and Social Enterprise development agency, offers an alternative punchline: "We do not support what the government is doing, especially in terms of what I see as the dismantling of the NHS. But at the same time if these things are happening, we have an opportunity to ensure it stays in co-operative and community hands rather than private ownership."

However, regardless of the government's goals for the strategy, employee-owned mutuals offer an attractive third way to the cuts programme. There's little substance as yet to back up Francis Maude's policy – the localism bill is expected to give local authority staff the right to bid to deliver a service, and it is anticipated that a Mutual Taskforce will produce a £10m fund and support programme. But if you're a public servant thinking of running your service as an employee-owned mutual, here's how to do it:

1. Start with the right intentions

A "mutual" is a catch-all phrase for any organisation owned by members made up in part or entirely by the employees: these include co-operatives, fully bound by the democratic principles of the International Co-operative Alliance, and social enterprises, a looser term referring to companies set up for a social or environmental purpose. If the idea of forming a mutual appeals to you and your team, Co-operatives UK suggests you consider the public service need you want to fulfil and how you think it can be done better as an independent organisation.

And, all importantly, why do you want to do this? Francis advises people not to be coerced by a local authority looking to make cuts. You "need to put your heart and soul into it", says Francis, so if the local authority is so keen to cut you loose you need seriously to question your future business potential.

"If you fall out with the local authority, then you're not going to go far," says Ed Mayo, chief executive of Co-operatives UK. GLL, a leisure co-operative, separated from Greenwich council in the early 1990s. "Our biggest partner and strongest ally is still Greenwich council," says its chief executive Mark Sesnan. "It's not about going it alone and sticking it to the local authority, it's the opposite – it's working with them, with a different hat on."

2. Assess your business's viability

Start positively: this is your opportunity to be creative, put into action those ideas you've had for years and think beyond borough boundaries. But more importantly be critical: what's your competition in the market, what will your main costs be, where will your income come from (including what price you will place on your services)? Mayo advises: "People have a tendency to under-estimate costs and over-estimate income, so try to buck this trend." From the outset, you should ask an expert for advice.

Les Double, volunteer chairman of Harwich Connexions, a transport co-operative that broke away from its local authority in 2003, cautions: "The danger is you are looking at safeguarding your jobs rather than the sustainability of the service. You are a company, and you need to understand that."

3. Identify the barriers

One issue comes up more than other: pensions. Francis puts it bluntly: "To be honest, anybody who works for the NHS would be an idiot to leave and set up a social enterprise if their pension didn't transfer with them." Look into this early. Local authorities do have the power to admit not-for-profit organisations into their pension schemes under "admitted body status", and keeping those already in the scheme is obviously not an additional cost. While relatively easy to become an admitted body in local government, the health service is far more complex. And the sticking point may come if pensions contributions were already identified as a cost saving.

"You have to check VAT very early on too," adds Mick Taylor, founder of Mutual Advantage, which helps public sector organisations reform as mutuals. "If by selling services the public body cannot reclaim the VAT that you have to charge, it is a significant net increase in service costs."

4. Secure funding and assets

The single biggest obstacle to setting up mutuals is funding. Every business has start-up costs, whether for marketing or machinery. The difficulty, says Taylor, is: "You can't go to the bank and say I want to borrow £100,000 to do a feasibility study on externalising a gang of nurses from the public sector. It just won't happen." The parent body is the source to look to first. "Essentially the employer stands to gain from losing your NI costs and all the rest," says Francis, "so a golden handshake to help you set up is not unreasonable."

In some cases the capital is the people within the business. In others, existing assets (eg, buildings and equipment) may transfer to the new organisation from the parent body, but often with conditions, perhaps preventing you from selling them on. Sourcing funding may also require creativity. "We started with no assets," says Double, "and in eight years we've brought around £2.5m to £3m into Harwich through grants from all sorts of areas from development agencies, community council, district council … the East of England Development Agency ran a competition to bid for money to buy assets, and we were successful on four occasions."

Having started with three vehicles, Harwich Connexions now owns nine, plus a 26-bed hostel and 11 business workspaces.

5. Establish a procurement arrangement

The success of most ex-public sector mutuals rests on them securing a contract with their previous employer or another public sector body. Thanks to EU procurement law, this is easier said than done. Ask the parent body to determine whether the legal requirements apply to your circumstances. If not, try to negotiate a long-term contract. Early signs from the recent public sector mutuals are that three- to five-year contracts have been offered in some cases without the need for a competitive tender process. This should be your goal for negotiations.

Also do not take a "yes" at face value – ensure you get agreement from both the political and managerial arms of the local authority. GLL's Sesnan says: "Where there's a market, under EU rules, it should go to competition. Where there isn't, it doesn't. But taking these things outside the council will in effect create a market, so in three, five, seven years' time, expect some competition."

6. Choose your management structure

Mutuals and co-operatives are, to a greater or lesser extent, democratically run. "It can range from the absolutely flat and egalitarian structures where each decision is made on a very open basis," says Mayo, "to those limited to an annual AGM where members elect the board and then the board gets on with it."

As it's often an existing team looking to mutualise, Mayo says: "If those involved are up for continuing with the same leadership, then that gives continuity. At the same time you have to ask whether that leadership team is the right one to take you forward, given the significant changes in the way you operate. You may need to reorganise."

Fundamental to a worker-owned co-operative is the one worker, one vote principle. Other mutuals find it beneficial to involve wider community groups – also known as stakeholder co-operatives. Harwich is one, says Double: "We have three pillars of the co-operative: users, workers, and supporters. We've got a management board of nine, of which no one pillar of the stakeholder community can be in complete control."

As Taylor explains: "If you run a local park for the community and employ a couple of people to maintain it – it's not those two workers who are the critical members, it's the community."

7. Choose your legal structure

Many new mutuals tackle this first and get bogged down. It's important that the business plan and management ethos are in place before committing to a legal framework.

"A lot of our work comes from people who get legal structures on the internet, or from solicitors at a low cost, and then find later when bidding for contracts or looking for funding that their legal structure precludes them," says Francis.

Mayo says: "It's more of an alphabet soup than it needs to be. You can form a co-operative as a company limited by guarantee, a community interest company, limited liability partnership. The industrial and providence society or community benefit society has the co-operative democratic system built in, while some people prefer a limited company form."

The lesson is, get expert advice. "Co-operatives UK sent us different models to go through and helped us choose the one we felt was more applicable to us," says Christine Bailey, of the recently formed Sunshine Care mutual in Rochdale. "We decided on community interest company because if things did go wrong, any money or equipment we had would go to the local community."

8. Keep going

While many ex-public sector mutuals will tell you how much hard work is involved, they are typically happy that they did it. Christine Bailey at Sunshine Care, for example, says: "We are definitely providing a better service than we were as council employees. The customers are much happier, and that makes the staff more positive."

And John Wilson of York Disabled Workers' Co-operative, an inspirational survivor of the Remploy factory closures, says: "We believe in what a co-operative is about, the principles of a small group of people who work together as a unit and feel like a family. You feel proud of the organisation because you are an integral part and everybody counts."

And that could be worth the effort.

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11Jun/11Off

Google staff highest paid workers in technology sector

Google's median salary of $141,000 (£86,800), is 23% above the market rates for the information technology industry

If you're feeling the pinch from the pay squeeze, it might be time to apply for a job at Google.

A survey revealed on Friday that Google's 26,000 employees earn a median salary of $141,000 (£86,800) a year, compared to the UK private sector average of £21,500.

Google, which gives all of its staff free gourmet meals, massages and numerous other perks not found in most offices, pays its staff 23% more than workers are paid for similar roles at rival technology companies, according to the PayScale survey. In January Google gave all its employees a $1,000 tax-free bonus and a 10% pay rise to stop staff defecting to rivals, such as Facebook.

The report also found that Facebook has the youngest staff in the technology sector, with an average age of 26 – a year younger than chief executive Mark Zuckerberg.

"We really don't believe that you have to have a lot of experience to make a big difference," Zuckerberg says in a video on the company's careers website. "Look at me, right? I started this from college."

Al Lee, director of quantitative analysis at PayScale, said: "Not only do many of the large tech companies pay their typical employees well into the six figures – not surprising given the large number of well-paid engineers on staff – they also pay a premium of as much as 23% above typical pay for the same kind of employees working at 'normal' companies."

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10Jun/11Off

Dear Jeremy – your work issues solved

Problems at work? Need advice? Our agony uncle – and readers – have the answers

My work is dominated by egos and I can't fit into that culture

I have worked for a successful company for about four years. The problem is the culture. Many members of staff constantly shout about how busy they are, how hard they work, how great they are and so on.

Another big part of the problem is the owners' ego. They surround themselves with people who love to massage their egos. I can't do that, we are all busy, but my ethic is to get on with the job – just do it. I see other people gaining recognition based on how much they talk about their work. My wife thinks I should join in, but I can't. What should I do?

Jeremy says

I suspect the key to this problem lies in the fact that your company is run by its owners. Sometimes owners run quite excellent companies – fanatical about standards and detail and with an almost family concern for the welfare of their staff. And sometimes the very fact of ownership so insulates them from the realities of life that they lose all normal sensitivities. They're far too secure in their own positions. They expect and encourage sycophancy – as yours have done – and surround themselves with people in their own image, almost irrespective of performance.

Realistically, I'm afraid you need to accept that this won't change. There's nothing that a single person can do or say that will affect the entire culture of a successful company. That's the way these owners do things – and that's the way they'll go on doing things. So in one respect, your wife is right. If you're to stay with this company, and progress, it's you who will have to make the changes.

And yet, from what you say, I very much doubt if you can. And not because of stubbornness or any belief in your own superiority: there's just something in your makeup that makes you incapable of pretending to be what you're not. Even if you tried, I bet you'd do it so badly that it wouldn't fool anyone.

So my bleak conclusion has to be this: either hang on in there, as you have for four years. Or make a firm internal decision to move elsewhere – and start looking immediately.

Readers say

• I can empathise a great deal on this. I was recently a senior manager in a manufacturing organisation. The MD had a massively inflated opinion of his somewhat meagre ability. The lengths people would go to to get attention and suck up to him was pretty unpleasant. But then some people like this culture and can see it as part of their job. I can't. Massaging egos, apologising for arriving five minutes late in the morning, deserting your principles and pretending to like somebody you wouldn't normally talk to … I couldn't stand it anymore so have been self-employed for three and a half years. Best thing I ever did. CovBoy

• Unfortunately, self-promotion is a necessary skill in most environments. Sometimes, this swings too far the wrong way and the promotion overtakes the substance, but you do need to blow your own trumpet a little. It doesn't have to be as overt as regular "I'm great" statements, but there's nothing wrong in making sure the good work you do is noticed. BallaBoy

Is it ever justifiable to walk out of a job interview?

I'm currently looking for a job. Sometimes, especially where it is just a one-to-one interview, the interviewer can be quite rude. It seems they make up their mind in the first five minutes or less and after that, it's a lost cause. However, instead of hiding their feelings they can be rather impolite and negative ... for an hour!

I have increasingly been wondering if, when it's so clearly obvious they're not going to hire me, it would be better to simply say "thank you for your time" and leave. For example, recently I went to an interview and the interviewer kept looking out the glass partition window into the main office while I was answering his questions. At one point he took his mobile out of his pocket and laughed at a text message and replied to it, continuing to laugh to himself. He had made a comment earlier in the interview that he thought my experience wasn't relevant and made it clear after that he wasn't interested in listening to me.

I had another more recent interview where again the interviewer kept looking into the main office while I was speaking. However, he was a bit more negative and kept criticising my answers and telling me my experience (public sector) wasn't relevant and criticising the public sector.

I've always been professional and gone through with the full interview but I'm increasingly considering not doing it the next time this happens. Interviewees give up at least two hours of transport time and money to attend an interview, not to mention several hours' preparation. I know I shouldn't dwell on the negative and just move on but it just isn't helpful to sit through a critical interview, not to mind infuriating to have had my time wasted. Is it ever OK to walk out of an interview?

Jeremy says

Your letter will strike a familiar chord with many readers. Some interviewers – in the minority, certainly, but still too many – undoubtedly abuse their position and seem to actively enjoy humiliating those they're interviewing. It's revealing that you find this sort of behaviour particularly common in one-to-one interviews. Presumably the presence of colleagues serves to modify such instincts; but when they're on their own, with no witnesses other than the luckless interviewee, they feel free to be as ill-mannered as they choose. At its worst, it's a form of sadism – and it's quite despicable.

But before you decide to get up and go, with whatever grace and dignity you can muster, do be aware of a potential trap. There are a few interviewers who clearly believe, quite mistakenly in my opinion, that the most effective interview is the one that tests to breaking point the tolerance and strength of character of the person in the opposite chair. So they are deliberately rude, deliberately off-hand, deliberately dismissive of that other person's experience; and wait to see if they snap or not. It's just possible that some of those who've interviewed you in the past have been employing this questionable tactic: The Apprentice has a lot to answer for.

You might very well feel that you'd never want to work for a company that selected its employees on such a crude and uncivilised basis and I wouldn't blame you. But a job's a job.

The most severe danger you face is that serial experiences of this kind begin to affect your confidence and your demeanour. You begin to anticipate humiliation and rejection; and like a dog expecting to be beaten, you let it show: either by cringing or by showing a sort of pre-emptive aggression. Neither will improve your interview prospects.

So on the whole, I'd recommend that you continue with your heroic fortitude. But in extreme cases, where a one-on-one interview has been conducted with deeply unprofessional unpleasantness, you might consider a calmly phrased letter to the interviewer's company. Employers feel protective about their company's reputation. As long as you take care not to sound like a bad loser, you'll have done a little something to protect others who'll come after you.

Readers say

• There is never any justification for treating a candidate with disrespect, no matter how unsuitable they may be for the job; a properly trained interviewer is able to guide such discussions to a swift conclusion, leaving your dignity and their reputation intact.

However, I'd hesitate to suggest simply walking out (unless the interviewer is plain rude or aggressive) as you'd be surprised how word can get around the local employment market. Take what opportunity you can to feed back about your experiences if you feel strongly enough, but at the end of the day simply ask yourself whether you'd actually want to work for an organisation that treats people this way. Watty145

• I have interviewed people at various stages in my career and never felt the need to behave in this way. If someone is obviously unsuited to the job I felt sorry for them and tried to leave them with as much dignity as possible. It must be symptomatic of the culture in these companies. Just bear in mind if this is the sort of person they employ, do you want to be employed and probably managed by someone with this kind of attitude? anenome6

• There are industries where an aggressive, dismissive demeanour towards juniors and "outsiders" is almost par for the course – law and banking come to mind. In my experience, what these interviewers are looking for is a candidate who remains undaunted and fights their corner, regardless of the remarks made.

It's unclear from your letter what industries these interviews have been in. The ethics of these tactics aside, enough practice will improve your ability to speak up for your qualifications and experience. TheArcher

For Jeremy Bullmore's advice on a work issue, send a brief email to dear.jeremy@guardian.co.uk. Please note that he is unable to answer questions of a legal nature or reply personally.

Read next week's problems on the Money blog from Monday and post your advice – we'll run the best of it alongside Jeremy's in next Saturday's column.

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